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Rapture vs 2nd Coming

There are seven primary arguments that are given for believing that the rapture will be “Pre-Tribulation.” They create the acronym, “pretrib,” and they are:

1) Place, 2) Removal of the restrainer, 3) Exemption from Divine Wrath, 4) The Twenty-four Elders, 5) Rapture vs. Second Coming, 6) Imminence, and 7) Blessed Hope.

This post will examine the fifth argument: The Rapture vs The 2nd Coming.

The Argument: The argument here is to draw a distinction between the Rapture (the coming of Jesus for His Church), and the 2nd Coming (the coming of Jesus to begin His Millennial reign on Earth).

The  Analysis: The main point of this argument is to correct several arguments that confuse the two events, and could cause someone to believe that the Rapture and Second Coming are the same exact event. The distinction allows for the Rapture to take place independently.

The Conclusion: There is no argument for the Pre-tribulation rapture here. This observation simply draws a distinction between these two events, and states that the Rapture happens first.

Note that all positions regarding the Rapture (at least, all that I have encountered) support the idea that the Church is not subjected to the Wrath of God.

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  3. Connie says:

    I’m confused. Are you saying that the 2nd coming and rapture are two separate events, as in do not happen at the same time?

    • My only point is that the distinction between the two things does not make the case for Pre-Trib, and does not prove or disprove anything. The analysis does not attempt to discern when one (or both) events happen.

  4. That’s funny that you claim that there is, “no argument for the pretrib rapture here… just a distinction between the two events.” However, THIS distinction is the fundamental foundation for the pretrib doctrine.

    The Scripture makes NO distinction between the two, just the doctrine of man and man’s interpretation makes a distinction.

    Jesus taught His disciples about His return Matt. 24:29-36. His disciples then taught others the exact same message… 2 Peter 3:10. Who was Peter speaking to? The Gentile church that he and Paul evangelized as recorded in the book of Acts. Why is this significant? Because the separation between Israel and the Gentile church is the fundamental attempt to reason the false argument that attempts to make the distinction between the rapture and the second coming. You may notice that Peter is purposely ignored by the pretrib teaching in this area. Ignoring what Peter says to the church is important to promote the pretrib separation.

    LIKE A THIEF IN THE NIGHT
    Jesus taught that He will come as a thief Matt. 24:42,43. He tells us that if the goodman of the house knew when the thief was coming he would be prepared.

    Jesus tells us that He is still coming like a thief after the 6th bowl judgement, Matt. 16:15, “Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.” Guess what, He is still coming, and those who don’t have enough oil in there lamp won’t make it to the end… Matt 25:1-14. “…surely He’s coming earlier because we’re not prepared…” Those who are not prepared for tribulation and persecution will immediately stumble…. Mark 4:17.

    2 Peter 3:10 The message to the church: ” But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.”

    These passages concerning Jesus coming like a thief the pretrib doctrine considers the second coming and not the rapture. If however, a rapture were to take place exactly 7 years prior to Rev. 16:15 then Jesus would no longer be coming like a thief but like a politician in the daylight.

    Of THAT day, no one knows the day or the hour…. Matt. 24:36. What day the rapture or the second coming if it’s separated. Read the context Matt. 24:29-36… “Immediately after the tribulation… you will see Jesus coming in the clouds… the elect are gathered… THAT day no one knows the day or the hour.

    One more passage on the thief in the night… 1 Thess. 5:2…. except this time the pretrib doctrine considers this to the the rapture and not the second coming…. One would declare the other and the goodman would know when the thief was coming (Matt. 24:42,43).

    For there to be two separate events concerning the rapture and the second coming, the nature in which Jesus declares His coming “like a thief” would not apply to the second. Jesus doesn’t lie, therefore in order for the reference of “like a thief” to stand the rapture and the second coming are one.

    • The Rapture/2nd Coming distinction itself (even if it is found to be valid, which is up for debate), still doesn’t establish the Rapture at any particular point in time. For example, two distinct events can still occur at the same exact point in time. So our point is that this Pre-Trib argument does not make any attempt to establish when the event happens. Thanks for the comments!

      • For the rapture event to be separate form the second coming event, Jesus would have to be a liar, because Jesus declares the nature of how He would come for the second coming would be, “as a thief..” If the rapture happened 7 years prior to the second coming, the “goodman of the house” (Matt. 24:41,42) would know at what hour to keep watch. Jesus declares (Rev. 16:15) that He is coming as a thief for those who are watching and keeping their garments at the end of the bowl judgements. If a rapture had taken place 7 years prior, Jesus could not state, “like a thief…” but rather, something more along the lines of, “a politician in the daylight…” The two events are NOT separate. Differences between these are concocted to bring forth a lie rather than seeking the truth.

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